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From: Ted Nelson <tandm@xanadu.net>
Date: Thu, Oct 9, 2014 at 8:39 PM
Subject: Thanks Re: PS Re: Walter I-- I wuz misquoted!
To: "Isaacson, Walter" <walter.isaacson@aspeninstitute.org>
Cc: Ted Nelson <tandm@xanadu.net>
Here's the simplest way to say it
(it's taken me years)--
A xanadoc is INDIRECT,
meaning that all content is brought in
from source files or source documents.
(You can look at the latest version now
at xanadu.com.)
Each source document is controlled
by its owner, who can have a paywall.
The idea is therefore that each portion,
if payment is required,
is bought from its owner.
Thus it is completely decentralized
(you assume in the article that
micropayment would have to be
centralized).
Since only individual quotations
would have to be bought
it would be very reasonable.
The idea is to make everything
quotable in any amount without
specific arrangement.
The "transcopyright" permission
(which was briefly adopted by
the ACM in the 1990s)
is the arrangement that would
permit that. But it assumes
indirect documents,
which nobody else has.
Links are additional, but addressed
to the source content.
This is hard to explain
(and not in the present demo).
Best,Ted
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From: Isaacson, Walter <walter.isaacson@aspeninstitute.org>
Date: Thu, Oct 9, 2014 at 7:49 PM
Subject: Re: PS Re: Walter I-- I wuz misquoted!
To: "tandm@xanadu.net" <tandm@xanadu.net>
Yes, I see. I read the Xanadu descriptions and your postings over the years, and I assumed that having "version management and rights management," as you advocated, meant people had more control over whether their pages got linked to.
I now see the distinctions. I will make that clear in the future, and apologize.
I think (am I correct?) That my more fundamental point remains true which is that in the Xanadu system there would have been a method for allocating payments and royalties to linked pages, unlike today.
Again, I am an admirer and I am sorry I got this wrong.
All the best, Walter
From: Ted Nelson [mailto:tandm@xanadu.net]
Sent: Thursday, October 09, 2014 07:35 PM
To: Isaacson, Walter
Cc: Ted Nelson <tandm@xanadu.net>
Subject: PS Re: Walter I-- I wuz misquoted!
In most hypertext systems,
such as the ones Berners-Lee
was imitating,
the link is embedded in the page.
This means--
1. The linker, who has written
the page, obviously has
permission to make the link.
2. The linkee knows nothing
about it until told.
3. The linkee can change
his document at any time,
invalidating the link.
In our Xanadu design
(and in the more successful
Microcosm, based on Xanadu)
a link is a free-standing object,
like a separate web page.
This means you need permission
from NEITHER party (you said both).
For instance, anybody can make
a link A which connects
document B to document C.
(But, of course, B or C can change,
invalidating the link;
thus we need versioning.)
The world this model creates is
entirely different from the web.
Cheers,TN
---------- Forwarded message ----------
From: Ted Nelson <tandm@xanadu.net>
Date: Thu, Oct 9, 2014 at 7:02 PM
Subject: Walter I-- I wuz misquoted!
To: "Isaacson, Walter" <walter.isaacson@aspeninstitute.org>
Cc: Ted Nelson <tandm@xanadu.net>
You say in Time--
>Ted Nelson coined the term hypertext and envisioned a web with two-way links, which would require the approval of the person whose page was being linked to.
Certainly not! You could make a
link to anything without approval,
just as the web allows (one-ended).
Best,Ted
--
Dr. Dr. Theodor Holm Nelson
Internet Archive Fellow
Original Visionary of the World Wide Web, 1960
Home pages hyperland.com xanadu.com
Google "TheTedNelson" for my YouTube Channel.
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Dr. Dr. Theodor Holm Nelson
Internet Archive Fellow
Original Visionary of the World Wide Web, 1960
Home pages hyperland.com xanadu.com
Google "TheTedNelson" for my YouTube Channel.
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xu
--
Dr. Dr. Theodor Holm Nelson
Internet Archive Fellow
Original Visionary of the World Wide Web, 1960
Home pages hyperland.com xanadu.com
Google "TheTedNelson" for my YouTube Channel.
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Dr. Dr. Theodor Holm Nelson
Internet Archive Fellow
Original Visionary of the World Wide Web, 1960
Home pages hyperland.com xanadu.com
Google "TheTedNelson" for my YouTube Channel.
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